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1. Mark’s idea of the best computer is a $50 pulse timer that anyone can download for free and install on a mobile phone, then publishing countless false negative reviews about other computers while giving himself tonnes of false positive reviews. His computers are cheap so anyone can find out for themselves, or just test the free ones that were hacked. Although if you pay him, keep in mind he is notorious for taking money and not shipping, then refusing to provide shipping proof. I’ve received many such complaints about him, and more. I dont have time or will to publish it all – its the buyer’s responsibility to research before buying. Although one of them asked me to publish his contact details on roulettesystemreviews.com so he can warn others personally. Mark is an extreme manipulator, just common conman.

2. I dont have the computer explained on this site. I bought a different computer. It was mark howe’s computer and I want to explain it really is a scam and can only beat wheels in his DVDs. You need to know this:

   a. People mark howe scammed are giving two of his roulette computer for free at http://www.datafilehost.com/download-74e1a92c.html

   b. Because mark’s computers are now free, he was forced to make new computers and say his old ones dont work. But his new ones are the same thing just presented a different way.

   In his new video of his so-called evolution version, the ball has almost no bounce and you hear the ball rattle badly, so the ball track is old and cracked which makes the ball fall in the same place often and in similar ways. Why cant he afford a wheel in good condition? In another video, he says the computer beeps when the ball is above the prediction. But if you slow down the video you see the beeps on the same spin arent even near the same number! He now removed that video. I dont know how many times he had to change videos. Read the links at http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/mark-howe-predictroulette/ and http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/mark-howe-predict-roulette-2/ its all true

   Mark Howe is a rotten person and liar. Money makes people do desperate things. You really need to research these computers before buying.

3. Serg, if you use a “timer with vibration”, then it is an electronic device. In order of most simplistic to most complex, the available devices are:

   1. Thumper (timer with vibration): as simple as it gets, but can be used in many different ways.

   2. Basic roulette computer: allows you to get accurate estimations of ball revolutions remaining, and it also uses timed pulses like thumper. About half of the computers from other vendors are similar in accuracy to this.

   3. Lite roulette computer: accurately measures ball and rotor speed, and gives the equivalent accuracy of perfectly applied complex visual ballistics techniques that are too impractical for normal people. Again the lite computer = highly skilled VB player, but the lite computer does it with ease.

   4. Uber roulette computer: adjusts for ball deceleration variation, non-linear ball bounce on different rotor speed and much more. It does everything worthwhile that can be done.

   5. The hybrid roulette computer: much the same as the uber computer, except it does all the speed measurements automatically. It does not need rest, and the players dont even nee to look at the wheel to get timings.

   Again see http://www.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm

   You are saying your VB method combined with a “thumper” is more accurate than my Uber computer.

   Yes a thumper with VB is better than VB without a thumper. But even with a thumper, you cannot possibly accurate to around 1-5ms as you can with the Uber and Hybrid. And you cannot properly analyze the non-linear ball scatter on different rotor speeds with pencil and paper. You also cannot possibly know the true effect of ball deceleration rate changes without the 1-5ms required accuracy for timings. And because of all this, there is no way any VB and/or thumper combination can be more accurate than the Uber/Hybrid computers. At best, you will only around equal the Lite roulette computer.

   I’m not sure why you are trying to convince me otherwise. You ask me for the first part of 10-15 spins to test. The problems with this are:

   * 10-15 spins is not enough to produce any meaningful results. You would need 30-60 spins. With only 10-15 spins, the only thing you could demonstrate is that you can identify the approximately number under the dominant diamond when the ball is in its last revolution. And this can be done with or without a thumper, although of course with a thumper and good techniques, you will do better than a person without a thumper. But still, you wont do any better than a simple computer like the lite version.

   * Any such testing would need to be live, without the ability to carefully examine footage or try again.

   I have no reason to doubt you can at least equal the accuracy of my lite computer. But considering you are using a thumper, and the sheer number of variables you need to consider for optimal accuracy (that only the Uber/Hybrid do), there is no way you could do better than the Uber or Hybrid versions.

   Again if you still believe otherwise and want to prove 20 years of experience and hundreds of thousands of dollars for development was for nothing, please visit me personally and test over live spins.

4. Steve, regarding the measurement of the speed of the rotor … I use a timer with vibration … I created it … Programmer signal are vibrating pulse in the arm …. so no problems with accuracy … as to the accuracy of hits … I am ready to prove that my method is superior to currently existing computers for accuracy (including and Uber) … you can follow any responses to spin the roulette and video clip recent momentum of the ball to hit it well (I will not know how much is left turns and hitting the ball) … and do not trim the spin 10-15 (whole) to adapt to the speed of the rotor and slow the ball … and bounce … you will see that I’m right … it’s not just words …

5. Steve, I use the in-game timer with vibration … that after a certain amount of time gives me an accurate signal to the arm he has a built-in mobile phone … so to measure the speed of the rotor I have no problems … as to the accuracy. .. that would prove my VB method is better in accuracy of any computer (including yours) I would like to exeperimental … if you have the opportunity to put the video games on the roulette ball with ivory or Teflon, but just cut them (which I did not know the number of remaining turns and drop the ball), you can follow any responses to send any number of games … and about 10-15 games is not full circumcision to adapt my method to speed and slow down the ball and rebound … and so it’s just words that nothing confirmed …. my e-mail you know, if you choose to go on this exeperimental … write … agree with you … about your video where you predict what a diamond in the fall … in my method I use the overlap rates … and he is not inferior to the computer …

6. Serg, I don’t take your lack of understanding personally. What I explain here is just correct you. So please don’t take it the wrong way.

   You don’t have my roulette computer, so you aren’t in position to evaluate it. I don’t have your VB technique, so I’m not able to evaluate it either. But for all VB methods, the following is true:

   * VB is a non-electronic version of roulette computers. Roulette computers can be accurate to within 1-5ms by clocking multiple revolutions (or sooner with the Hybrid version). You cannot possibly achieve anywhere near that accuracy with VB (without a computer). So this point alone makes your claim appear dubious.

   * “Most” roulette computers only consider the approximate ball drop time (revolutions to go). VB is exactly the same. So when it comes to knowing how many revolutions remain for the ball, my BASIC version computer is just as accurate as a skilled VB player. Remember, I give my BASIC computer version for free to genuinewinner.com players.

   * When considering any event on the wheel, if you don’t use electronic timers, the best accuracy you can hope for is about 100ms (0.1s) if you were very skilled. Now consider a 100ms variation on rotor speed (3000 or 3100ms) will mean the difference between the prediction being over 180 degrees the difference. Put into simpler terms, a slight error in your judgement will make a big difference.

   Can you tell the difference between 3000ms, 3025ms, 3050ms or 3100ms without electronic timers? No unless you’re superman. But a computer easily knows the difference.

   So just considering the rotor alone, a VB player is at a huge disadvantage and has already lost a lot of the potential accuracy. There is no way around this. A correctly designed roulette computer will always obtain much more accurate timings. Again this is for the rotor, not the ball.

   * Most of my videos apply a more basic approach than what the computers are capable of. The only way to see the full capabilities are to visit me for a personal demo. Why? Because publicly showing all casinos what my computers can do is not a good idea. Serious players visit me personally to see everything. But see the video that shows the computer’s ability to know which diamond the ball will hit (in videos section). This greatly reduces ball scatter, and requires accuracy of ball timings to around 5ms. No human can calculate ball speed within accuracy of 5ms, so no VB method is capable of limiting scatter this way, and therefore no VB method can be more accurate than the Uber version computer. If you claim otherwise, you are saying you can be accurate to within 5ms without a computer, which is nonsense.

   Do you need to target specific diamond hits? With modern wheels in good condition, yes. If you don’t, the scatter is too unpredictable.

   To accurately predict which diamond will be hit requires a combination of variables that all affect each other, and the Uber and Hybrid devices are the only roulette computers that have ever done this. You are welcome to visit me with any other device or your VB to compare for yourself.

   * For many wheels, the speed of the rotor will greatly change how the ball will bounce. This means the typical scatter chart is obsolete and leads to ‘random’ (no) accuracy. But the effect the rotor speed has on ball bounce is not linear. That means a faster rotor does not simply mean the ball will bounce a further distance. A more complex analysis is required to isolate variables where scatter is most predictable, and where the ball is most likely to bounce to. To obtain this data, first you need to have accurate rotor timings. But as shown above, with VB you don’t have that accuracy so you already fail. Even if you had the accuracy, you’d need to write various data down including adjustments for the variation of ball deceleration, the rotor speed at the time the ball hit the rotor, the variation of ball deceleration, the rotor strike point, and the scatter. Then on each spin, you need to calculate rotor speed at the time of ball fall, and determine the complex relationships to get a prediction, then bet all while not looking suspicious. Can you do this without a computer? No chance. The Uber does it all automatically.

   * The ball deceleration rate inevitably gradually changes over time. The changes are often quite subtle and cannot be noticed by any visual method. For example, throughout your collection of 30 or so spins, the ball deceleration rate has been gradually changing. By the end of the 30 spins, the ball is travelling, on average, 0.72 more revolutions. You wouldn’t know that because to you, it just looks like the ball seems to have had a few unlucky diamond hits and falls.

   Maybe your experience with roulette computers is with basic ones provided by other vendors that use the basic algorithm from visual ballistics, as explained at http://www.roulettecomputers.com/the-math/ – most computers use this. One other developer at least tries to do more but he keeps changing his approach because the main algorithm that gradually adjusts ball deceleration rates is wrong, and based on the original algorithm. Only dynamic polynomials can be used. The result of only using the basic algorithm is accuracy no better than VB, my Lite computer, and my Basic computer. The Uber and Hybrid versions are quite different. That’s why some of my computers are free, and others cost $80,000. You get what you pay for.

   Regarding my VB course, as explained on my site, it is free because I find VB a comparative waste of time. If you are going to bet after the ball is released, then just use a computer and you’ll do far better with minimal effort. I give that VB away free more as a free trial for professional methods, and a comparison chart of it and the genuinewinner system is at http://www.genuinewinner.com/#compare

   Sure there are more advanced VB methods and I teach them too upon request. But they are very difficult to apply, and for a lot of effort and training, still the best you can hope for is only equalling the accuracy of my BASIC version computer. Why? Because the basic computer perfectly determines last revolution timing, but can only get rotor timings as accurate as a highly skilled VB player. So the average “basic computer” user = a highly skilled VB player.

   The next step up in accuracy is the Lite computer. It can have two users with covert wireless signals, can get predictions anytime in the spin, and properly calculates rotor distance. So it is about the equivalent of a superman VB player using an incredible technique that normal people cannot use.

   But as an approximate comparison, most roulette computers are around the Lite computer level as explained at http://www.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm which has a lot of data for you to check.

   Specifically the basic computer was designed to be a stepping stone to the lite computer. And the lite computer is the stepping stone to the Uber. The lite computer was specifically designed to be slightly better than an computer than other vendors with respect to getting earlier predictions, using much more covert wireless for team play, and ultimately giving the player a greater earning capacity. But the lite and basic computers still use the basic kind of algorithm. The Uber and Hybrid are very different. Again see the comparison page.

   A few other corrections:

   * Ivorine balls are far bouncier than teflon balls. Teflon gives a much more predictable ball bounce. A simple test is drop them both from the same height. Proof enough for anyone.

   * Ivorine balls travel a further distance and the deceleration rate is more gradual. This makes it more difficult to differentiate one revolution from another, which makes accurate predictions more difficult.

   Ivorine balls are harder to beat for the above two reasons, which is why I use them in most of my demos.

   * The rotor speed used in my demos is average. In some parts of the world, 2-3 seconds/revolution is normal, but in other parts, 4-5s/revolution is normal. In some parts like Japan even, 8-9s/revolution is normal.

   * For you to achieve better results in my videos with your VB technique, even just the videos with only a basic approach from the computers, you are saying you can accurately tell the difference between a 3000ms, or 3025ms or 3040ms rotor. That’s plain nonsense. And if you are talking about the video demonstrating diamond hit predictions, then you are saying you can accurately detect a 5ms difference in ball speed PLUS the difference in rotor speed. Sorry but its simply not possible. It is difficult enough for an electronic device to do it, and there’s no way a human can do it.

   Again I’m not offended by your lack of understanding, and please don’t take the corrections the wrong way. I’m open to the fact we all never stop learning, and I don’t profess to know everything. But in this case I’m sorry you have made various mistakes. The information is available for you to review.

   Unfortunately I don’t have the time to debate further about this and you won’t convince me that 1 + 1 = 5. Nevertheless if you want to know fact from fiction, I suggest just visit me personally, then you can compare your VB method against my Uber or Hybrid computers (testing on live spins).

7. Steve, I do not use a simple VB … My method is a more in-depth VB … that what you teach on the site, in fact, is very basic VB method is designed for a contact (such wheels hardly find). By a letter, I would like to show that VB-depth method is not inferior to computers and even surpasses exactly your Uber and all other known me … watching all your videos, I have a better result than your predictions …. Basically all video you with the ball ivory, which gives you an advantage in the rates (14-15 seconds), as a heavy ball and later left the track and time for the stakes are much higher than Teflon ball, the speed of the roulette you have a very small, and if you play the casino, he should know that the speed of the roulette in a real casino is much higher and the ball bolle easily and quickly leaves the track, which means less time for rates …. your roulette is easy to predict … I’m sorry … but it is. .. nothing personal …

8. Serg, you dont have the Uber so you arent in position to compare. If you are familiar with vb, then you’d know you basically determine the reference number with the same number of revolutions to go, then the end number and compare distance.

   Firstly, keep in mind there are different types of roulette computers. If you want the bare essentials like what vb does, then you can opt for the basic or lite versions I offer. Or even foresters computer. They have much the same accuracy as VB. Yes with those options, it is more difficult to find suitable wheels as I say often. That’s why I give VB and my basic computer for free.

   The uber versions are $15,000-$30,000, and the hybrid is $80,000. You get what you pay for. You cannot possibly replicate what these computers do using VB. Again you havent read the sites I’ve given.

   The uber and hybrid computers automatically adjust for ball deceleration rate changes, can target specific diamond hits properly, and can even properly adjust to varying ball bounce on different rotor speeds. Nothing else anywhere does this.

   If you want to know the differences between computers even from different vendors, and VB, then first read my sites then visit me personally. Its the best way for you to know fact from fiction. I have every other computer and you can see for yourself. And you can use whatever vb you like and better understand the differences and why the prices are as such.

9. Steve, I’m good at using VB and I know what I’m saying. I tried out the VB method on all your videos, so here I am with VB is determined more accurately hit the ball in the sector, what do you define by svoe.Na site you explain the VB. But this is a very simple and basic method for real casino he certainly (such wheels are very rare), so how do you explain the game on one contact.

10. Serg, you dont have the Uber, and you didnt read this site. See http://www.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm and http://www.roulettecomputers.com/make-your-own/ so you better understand. VB is about the equivalent accuracy to the free roulette computer I give to genuinewinner.com players. I also give a free VB course at genuinewinner.com. The Uber is a very different thing and far more accurate.

11. playing in the visual ballistics results are better than your computer Uber …. So what’s the point then buy it??

12. You just need to contact me to arrange a time if you are becoming a player. If you are just curious without serious intent to become a player, then subscribe to my blog for updates on the next live webcam demo. See http://www.genuinewinner.com/blog

13. I just read the roulette computer page at http://www.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20664.0 its very impressive. How do I go about seeing the webcam demo? I think you forgot to answer this.

14. Using a basic computer is very easy. You basically click a button each time the wheel and ball come around, then get a prediction. It is very easy. I give away “basic” computers for free. Some people sell similar computers for $1500 or more and call them the best computers on earth. But you cant win anything with them.

    My computers are much more complex, as they need to be to beat modern wheels. But they need to be easy and practical to use. So a large part of development of my computers is making complex approaches as simple as possible for the player. Ultimately the application of my computers has been simplified to the point where the user only ultimately needs to click a button each time the ball and wheel go around. So while my computers have the required sophistication to beat modern roulette, they are as simple to use as a basic computer. The complex parts involving calculations and ongoing adjustments are done automatically by the computer.

    Will it be too complicated for you? The average person can learn basic operation in minutes. But getting the hang of clicking buttons usually takes an hour or so. Understanding what makes a wheel beatable and how to scout for the best wheels, and monitoring the accuracy of the computer over time is actually what takes the most time to master. How long? Depends on you, and how much time you dedicate. Can be anywhere from a day to few weeks.

    It is not overnight riches without any learning. You need to know what you are doing. But you get all the support you need whether via phone, skype, in-person or via live webcam.

15. hi, I’m interested in this but it all seems very complicated. Really is this something any normal person can do? I have read so much about these things and your sites seem most credible. I have the money to invest and I do believe they work, but my concern is it will be too complicated for me.

    You are too far to visit. When will you be having your next webcam demo and will you be able to show exactly how to use it? Thanks.

16. Cianc, maybe you haven’t read my site but I have done many demos, both public and private, where you can see whatever you want. You can even bring other devices to compare. As for the logic behind the devices, this site is loaded with information for you to read.

17. how can I know you didnt pay actors in your live demos? it all seems too good to be true. I dont see any logic how you can predict random spins

18. Well yes but it is not easy being a newbie and deciphering all the technical discussions. Everyone seemed to have good points and cheaper price was the decider. A mistake. The better option would have been to just visit you from the start but to be honest I found that a bit intimidating.

19. THANKYOU. Most people are incapable of apology or admitting mistake. Honestly I’ve lost count of people in your situation. I think it is because the cheaper option is easier to try first.

20. I’d just like to share something and make an apology. For years I knew about these devices but dismissed them thinking they couldnt really work. In January this year I decided to learn more. I found so much conflicting information and people who made this technology slandering each other, and some using fake names to spread negative information about each other. It was a mess and I didnt know what to believe. Then I came across another site run by a man who calls himself Forester. I conversed with him for some time and he said some very nasty things about the person who runs this site. I believed him and bought his computer. Never have I made money with it and nor do I know anyone who has either. IMHO the whole thing is a clever scam and I assumed the other devices are the same. Then I read more into this site and came to understand why the Forester computer was junk. All the explanations are given but there is tonnes of information to read through and digest. In March I visited Steve from this site and he is a very honest person. He really is the real deal. Do not be swayed by what you can read on sites from competitors. Steve is a very rare individual and I highly recommend dealing with him. It is not my place to tell you about his computers but I can say if you want to have a working roulette you can actually profit from, then you critically need to know what you are buying and the internet is full of liars and cheats. And finally I want to openly apologize to Steve who owns this site. I did not do my research at the start and I have published some bad things about you based only on what other people had said. I have learned a lot from this and really I am very sorry for the things I wrote that I now removed. I know you said you dont want talk about forester to overshadow more important things on this site but I need to warn people to watch out for him. He is a liar and stretches the truth to get you to buy and you end up with something like steve says is no better than steves free visual ballistics course. So Steve again honestly I am very sorry for being so wrong.

21. Sienna, no the phones are highly specialized. The modifications cost me almost $1000 per phone, excluding the cost of the unmodified phone. But the real cost is development. It takes about 10-40 hours of development for a simple roulette computer like my basic or lite version computers. But it takes many thousands of hours of development for the hybrid and uber versions. Developing this technology on an iphone or android would be a disaster as the phones are unsuitable. An android could be ok with extensive modification and we did testing on a Samsung Galaxy android, but it was a lot of work for nothing. The exception is putting the hybrid version (hybridroulettecomputer.com) on an android, but for now even the fastest smartphones arent fast enough. The image at the top suggests otherwise, but it is just a familiar phone and image to use. The actual phones we use are almost half the size as iphones.

22. Do the computers work on iphone or android? Can you use phones I send you or must it be what you send?

23. You just need to do thorough research. If you believe everything you read, your opinions will be based on people with ulterior motives. I suggest start with http://www.roulettecomputers.com/make-your-own/ so you know what the requirements and challenges are to build a computer that beats modern wheels. Then carefully read a roulette computer comparison at http://www.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm

    As per your original question, yes the casinos know all about them, but from their perspective they simply need to monitor anybody that makes significant winnings on a regular basis. If a player is suspected of roulette computer use, then the casino applies countermeasures which may simply be they call no more bets earlier and earlier until the player the loses or leaves. So it is very important to remain undetected, and it is not difficult.

    Yes I still do demonstrations. There is a recording of a recent live WebCam demo on this site. I have done many demos and the results always much the same. While it is often tedious from me, I understand purchasers pay a lot of money and need to see proof for themselves so demonstrations are welcome. One other developer did offer demonstrations at one stage, but no longer does so. For one thing he is on the run from police for scamming people, and people that have witnessed his demonstrations found his wheel has been tampered with. You really need to be careful when purchasing these devices as most people aren’t aware of the various tricks being used by sellers. One even managed to demonstrate a computer to media (newspapers) that clearly had no idea what they were seeing. You can see the roulettesystemreviews.com site about this

24. Also I can see there is some debate about which roulette computer is the best. While I can appreciate that future view is likely to say theirs is the best, how can I know who to believe? From everything I have research so far, honestly yours does appear to be well above the others. Do you still offer the demonstrations and can I see other computers at the same time? Do other sellers also offer demonstrations? Thanks.

25. How long will these be effective for? Surely the casinos will eventually catch on and change something to make it impossible to use.

26. Very interesting. I can see this is legit but I dont think I could have the nerves to use it even if it was legal.

27. It is up to the individual to use their own head. If they believe everything they’re told without verification, its their problem. Besides there are much worse manipulators who create false review sites and litter the internet with false reviews.

28. I found this interesting. I was at his forum and asked fair questions and just got a short answer that looked more like a sales pitch, like forget all other computers mine is best buy buy. It seemed strange with chip on his shoulder so I havent gone back.

29. Jethro, I always tell people KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS. The RIGHT questions. Eventually the truth comes out. And you find out who’s being honest, and who’s got a “dishonest bias” for personal reasons. Many people tell me he skips the right questions and points you to diversionary information, from similar people that have a “dishonest bias”. But the information given is not even accurate, not that it matters to them. Like I’ve said, it is easier for ‘competitors’ to slander others than build better technology. Fortunately for forester there are always some people unintelligent enough to believe everything he says without actually checking. The others like martin get banned.

30. True, Martin. I believed Forester and wasted my one whole year to find out which one works. Forester is full of bias. He doesn’t like when people are logical. Fortunately, I never ended up wih his device but getting a uber which is awesome. I am still learning though Martin.

31. You are not the only one who found out the hard way. There are still others at his forum that rather keep quiet instead of being banned too.

32. The computers here are the only working ones you can make money from. I tried others including from forester and then he banned me when I said on his forum his computer doesn’t beat real casino wheels. I got banned because the truth was bad for his business. There are so many liars with these type of devices. You need to be very careful if you plan to buy these devices.